Clarification of possible architectures with InTouch Unlimited Premier: Flex-HMI-015: T

Please refer the notes of "FLEX-HMI-015"

Includes InTouch Tag Server with unlimited tags, InTouch WindowMaker, Includes redundant configuration, Supports 1 InTouch Application, Includes OPC UA Server, Vision AI Assistant Unlimited RDS clients, unlimited web clients with workspaces, includes historian clients - suggested max 40 concurrent RDS clients Includes Professional Communication Driver with redundancy, Includes unlimited Tag Historian with redundancy, Unlimited Reports for Operations tags and web clients, with redundancy and MES".

I don't think it support multiple workstations ,but you can use RDS client to access.

Hi, I can confirm this does not license multiple workstations but you can use RDS thin clients. I have raised to AVEVA that this causes restrictions 

1) Allows full functionality of only 1 application 

2) Does not allow to license multiple workstations workstations

3) Can use RDS Tagserver architecture only

if you share the similar sentiment that the license should work for workstations, put a comment here and AVEVA can do something about it

Hi,

Thank you for your interesting InTouch Unlimited Premier, which includes licenses for an InTouch workstation that can be used as a sinlge-node HMI, or as an unlimited sessions web server, or an unlimited sessions RDS host (although from practical standpoints it will likely top out at 30-40 RDS sessions).

InTouch Unlimited Premier also includes a second license, identical to the primary license, which is intended for a secondary node in an active-active redundant pair. You will find that Flex subscriptions always facilitate redundancy. 

Tag Server setup is recommended but not mandated for RDS deployments. You will find that certain features in context of alarms and historizaiton will work better with Tag Server setup. A fully featured InTouch deployment supports only one application (or one Tag Server application + client applications) per node.

Tag Server is definitively not required if using web clients and InTouch Unlimited is by no means forcing anyone to use RDS.

Finally, we also offer a license model for unlimited architectural flexibility, where one may use unlimited applications on unlimited nodes. This is the Operations Control Edge subscription, where the primary licensing factor is the number of users.

Hi Rickard, but the above license does not allow for multiple workstation nodes. If all your graphics are industrial graphics ( green field site ) then you can use web server and Tag server RDS deployment. If the graphics are legacy and industrial graphics then Tag server + RDS only. For the similar price point of Intouch unlimited premier there should be multiple nodes Intouch workstations license feature.

For the future I would like to see Intouch web supporting multiple applications fully featured.

Again, Operations Control is our unlimited nodes offer.

If you find Unlimited to be too much for a simple multi-workstations arrangement, please consider our incresingly popular Starter pack which includes 5 nodes with 100k tags each, Com Drivers, a smaller Historian, and AVEVA Reports.

I appreciate the feedback on multiple applications per node. I will take that into consideration as we proceed. 

When it comes to legacy graphics, I strongly recommend converting those to Industrial Graphics. The conversion is already very capable and I'd be happy to invest in closing a few of the remaining gaps. It is definitively time to start converging onto a single graphics technology and move forward.

Hi Rickard, we have considered 5 node starter pack, again this limits to 5 nodes which for many small to medium business this is not enough. Between Operations Control and Intouch unlimited single application there is a big whitespace in between where we are not competitive.

Ofcourse making fully featured Intouch web multiple applications will solve the problem.

I agree Rickard, we are facing multiple challenges in converting to Industrial graphics. I have been saying that we need to push for industrial graphics and now is the time for it.

For some reason the message of Industrial graphics is not reaching to the mass crowd. The notion is that there is significant cost in moving to industrial graphics, runtime issues with widgets and scripts, not enough justification to go there as things are working fine in legacy versions and not enough push from AVEVA 

We are facing multiple challenges . Let me name them below:

1) What we are seeing some pages are converting to industrial graphics quite nicely and some just don't. We cannot figure out a reason for it. First we thought because of the concentration of graphics but it seems that its not the case.

2) Biggest one is Alarm Client which is a lot of converting , what will help if he have a standard Alarm graphics that can be used as a starting point which is feature rich like the Historian Client

3) Scripting, converting scripts there are many that are not like for like conversions and needs some re work especially Active X scripting

Knowing all the plans AVEVA has for now and the future, the clear foundation is Industrial graphics, we really need a massive push, bridge gaps and educate our community that this is the way forward